New DE Chapter Release! Book 16, Chapter 23 (+funny story)

Hey guys, here’s your ninth chapter of the week! Book 16, Chapter 23 – The Return. Enjoy the read! This chapter was sponsored by anonymous and Marvin B. Two more chapters left to go for Book 16!

So funny but true story – You might’ve noticed that in lots of these Chinese Wuxia/Xianxia novels, a big deal is made out of the question of ‘generations’ and ‘seniority’. You might think this is exaggerated, and I thought it was as well…then I saw something first hand. So one of my uncles actually is a martial arts instructor with seniority in the martial arts circle…

The other day, there was a big party with lots of martial arts instructors. At this party, Master Alpha was chatting with Master Beta, and referred to Master Beta as ‘big brother’. Master Beta was really upset by that, because he felt that by seniority, he was on a higher level, which meant Master Alpha was disrespecting him by calling him ‘brother’ instead of ‘martial uncle’…and so he sent his disciple, Student Beta, over to toast Master Alpha by addressing HIM as ‘brother’.

Master Alpha immediately got upset and told Student Beta, “Hey, I call your master ‘brother’; you should address me as ‘martial uncle’!” At this point, Master Beta got reaaally upset and walked over and boomed, “No, I address your TEACHER as ‘brother’, so it’s right for my disciple to address YOU as ‘brother’!”

This argument proceeded to go on for several minutes, until finally Student Beta ran over to my uncle (who has a lot of seniority and is acknowledged by both Master Alpha and Beta) and said, “You tell me, how should I address Master Alpha?” My uncle paused for a bit…then said, “Brother.” Since he had the highest seniority of everyone present, Master Alpha was forced to accept this ruling.

Here’s the kicker. Just to rub it in…a few minutes later, Master Beta once more sent Student Beta to toast Master Alpha with wine and address him as ‘brother’ a second time. HAH!!!

40 thoughts on “New DE Chapter Release! Book 16, Chapter 23 (+funny story)” - NO SPOILERS and NO CURSING

  1. Holy shit, it’s actually taken seriously? I thought it was exaggerated. But man Master Beta is savage haha, screwing with Master Alpha like that. Great stuff, thanks

    1. I can see how such a scene would be played in a “comedy at court”, a sort of pompous Brit-esque, bureaucratic series of skits, which depicts the silly interaction between those who take social-conventions way too seriously.

  2. Wait…so….Chinese martial artists refer to themselves using Greek numerals? Do they not know that Alpha is the first letter therefore #1? I feel like I need to take a spontaneous vacation to correct this matter immediately…This ladies and gentlemen is a matter concerning whether or not 1 comes before or after 2….the fate of the world hinges on the answer….now if they start using Roman numerals…. (O.O) …. may God have mercy on our souls

  3. LOL…. those people takes grudges too seriously….. sigh….. oh well, it’s funny to argue in little things, though! Just do the Lemon… Par…. wait.. forget what I said….!

  4. Wait wait…. I am too stupid to get that.

    He´s upset because somone calls him brother, then sends his student to call the other one brother what that one doesnt like but because the student is calling the master´s master with brother he can call the normal master with brother too?

    have I gotten that right there?

    Somehow I think the student got the most ´face´ there-….

  5. Different cultures have different things they find important, but it’s nice to see that it’s actually rooted into their martial culture rather than being blown out of proportions for story reasons.

    I mean, japanese novels tend to go over the top with their “don’t stand out”, making characters inflexible and nonsensical, so I always thought that this whole seniority and “face” thing was also magnified multiple times in the chinese novels to make it stand out more.

  6. Lol! That’s an awesome story. Thanks for sharing!
    I’m also a martial artist, I instruct Tae Kwon Do, but because it’s in America, very few people are that anal about seniority as long as you are respectful. Only a few Korean masters that I know and one old white lady get upset if they aren’t referred to correctly. But all the American or Philipino masters/instructors that I know are really easy-going in that regard.

  7. This is a funny story, I notice this on soldiers and policemen too. Regardless of rank and achievements; “seniority and generations” really is taken seriously.

  8. Seems like Master Alpha got a bit carried away and Master Beta put him in his place. I remember when my master was talking about a trip to Beijing where he met with his master, martial uncles and elder martial brothers(he is the most junior) to train, it was a bit confusing to me. But it is nice to hear about people from different countries with different backgrounds to gather together like one big family, however as with the event with the master alpha-beta even in families can be some conflict hehe.

  9. I’m glad we don’t have this tradition in the US. I’m not even comfortable calling someone ‘sir’ or ‘mister’, it just feels odd. Everyone at work is just referred to by their first name. Beyond that, I don’t respect people based solely on position, title, or age so it always feels like lying and manipulation to me. Even when taking Japanese I couldn’t stomach the ingrained toadying. Just get over yourselves, follow the golden rule, and do your job right, that’s the only kind of respect I care about.

    1. Respect and empty flattery are two different things. It is only natural to treat others with respect regardless of status, however prostrating before those with higher positions than you to gain their favor is not respect, it is as you said lying and manipulation. Also the way you refer to others(titles or names) might differ across countries/traditions but the way you treat others is not a tradition it is a reflection of ones moral character, you might not have keigo in english so it might seem a bit too much, however that is just how another people express themselves. One doesn’t really need a formal respectful language to be toadying…

      1. Perhaps I was a bit harsher in my language than I meant to be, but one of the things that set me off is a person or organisation that values form over function. I avoid both when possible as I wait for them to self destruct. That is not to say that a proper form does not have its own function and thus should be factored into the final analyses.

        For Japanese culture, what particularly got on my nerves was their overwhelming emphasis on temporal seniority. One year here or there can be significant in the short term, but ultimately won’t be. It was taken further by Japanese lifetime corporations to create an inflexible organisational structure just waiting to collapse under all the dead weight they let float to the top. Just like our public school system.

        Then, it was all the extra effort to learning the various formalities. Japanese has a better language structure than English, it comes from not being invaded so often and their long periods of xenophobia. So it was a pleasure to study, like math or programming, until they started on about different modes of polite speach. It’s too much mental effort when I hate dealing with the people who actually would care about it. My brain isn’t wired in terms of superiority and inferiority with people. So pretty much any time I deal in formalities, I am passively lying to manipulate the situation and gain a particular outcome. Lying is incredibly difficult for me, in any form. So, I tend to reserve it for intractable situations, not everyday conversations. At other times I just shut my mouth and pray I can leave soon, it would just be wasted breath anyways.

        In conclusions, I am glad the US doesn’t have this as a strong part of its culture. Otherwise, I’d have to find somewhere else to live as I uncontrollably insulted everyone arround me. It’s also why I’ll never be in sales…

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